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Old 06-29-2006, 06:52 PM   #11
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there is something to be said, though, about the person who gets it from their spouse who had it without knowing.

i don't disagree with your point that abstinance is the best way to avoid disease but the fact is that if i go my whole life only having sex with my husband (who doesn't exist much to my mother's chagrin :rofling: ) that doesn't mean i couldn't contract HPV.

I am more incline to vaccinate less because there are so many conditions that are starting to be shown to be caused by them but the thing i celebrate in this is that it isn't really a "male issue" (for lack of a better phrase. We, as women, are so often left behind in medical advances that when we aren't forgotten I am always just a little bit happier.

*sigh* but the points made about them being targetted towards low income economies and what does it offsetting and such.......yes....i am very conflicted....lol
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Old 06-29-2006, 07:10 PM   #12
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it isn't really a "male issue"
Of course it is, it is all of our issue. Men Women Human. Point in fact being your example of getting it from someone who didn't know they had it. Men get it, Women get it, we all get it. So why are we being the ones first out the gate to test the 'miracle' vaccine. Why not them?


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In what? Tell me because I really am curous to know. I have to say that I'm racking my brain trying to see how we are being slighted. Men die because of cancer, heart disease, etc.

We are all learning here, it's the great thing about having these discussions.
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well that's why i put the quotes around it because of course it is a male issue as well.

And maybe my issue with the way women are treated by this government has more to do with things like the fact that they came out with the little blue pill and don't seem to be doing anything to deal with similar issues for women. And not only that but insurance covered it almost immediately while women were fighting for YEARS to get the pill covered.

that is the most obvious example of course but it is issues like that i have a problem with.

believe me i don't walk through life feeling like i got a raw deal being born a woman...i would just like some equity....
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Old 06-29-2006, 07:32 PM   #14
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What is the little blue pill? Viagra? Please don't tell me we are talking about Viagra.
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YOU asked for an example............ :rollseyes:
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You are most correct, I did ask for an example.

Viagra......muaaaaah.

Seriously, I can see your point, sort of. Viagra is a supplement to help a man....well you know, and from the happy faces of the ladies on the commercials, it helps a few women too. snicker.

I think it's turned into more of a recreational type drug anymore anyway. And of course it did get insurance blessing immediately because well it's much more 'necessary'. bleh

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I have a hard time with the whole medical advancement leaning towards men theory, on the whole.

Please don't take offense because I sniggered at Viagra. I am sure it does help some people. Perhaps it was intended that we all 'slow' down with age somewhat. maybe?
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Not to take away from the discussion, but a quick comment about "the blue pill"....

My mom was put on Nexium a few weeks ago, "the purple pill." I was telling DH how she's taking "the purple pill" and how it's supposed to be a miracle drug. He looked at me all grossed out and told me that he didn't need to know that my mom was on Viagra.



Silly.

Viagra is an excellent example of how women are often left behind when it comes to advancements in health. It's still a patriarchal society. Just look at birth control...why haven't we made more advancements in developing a male birth control yet, yet we readily have Viagra? It's like as if highlighting male virility is more important. If you want to use a birth control method, your options for a male are using a rubber or a vasectomy. Yet, they expect women to ingest all sorts of hormones or insert things up our hoo-has, like as if getting knocked up was our faults.

Look at heart disease studies...it's not until recently that women are being educated about the risks of heart disease, eventhough we get it's just as big of a killer of women as it is for men.

As for the HPV vaccine, why aren't males being vaccinated, too? If we can prevent males from contracting hpv, then we can protect our little girls from getting it from them.


haha, I said "hoo-ha."
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Hmmm... of course, I think being skeptical of vaccines or medication is good. But I find that thinking that abstinence and moral will fix the problem just does not correspond to reality. On the CDC website I found this: "By age 50, at least 80 percent of women will have acquired genital HPV infection. About 6.2 million Americans get a new genital HPV infection each year." At LEAST 80% at age 50!!!! Most of the times, women have no symptoms and the virus disappears by itself. But for many others... there might be problem. Therefore, it does not depend on virtue, moral, or social status.

In the end, it's all about evaluating the risk. Is the risk of having problems with the vaccine is higher than taking the chance to get cancer? This is a personal decision, of course, but it's hard to think you have to impose it on your daughter - who might live much longer than you. But speaking for myself, if I was dying from cancer and somebody told me that all my mom had to do is allow me to get a vaccine, I'm pretty sure I would feel some bitterness, even though I love my mom and she's NEARLY perfect :D. She would be completely devastated.
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As for the HPV vaccine, why aren't males being vaccinated, too? If we can prevent males from contracting hpv, then we can protect our little girls from getting it from them.

This is a really good question. I heard a scientist on NPR asked this question, and her response was that, "The HPV vaccine is a vaccine against a few types (out of more than 500) of this STD. However, in order to make it marketable, the manufacturer needs to tout it as a 'cancer vaccine,' not an STD vaccine." So, because men are not at risk for HPV-related cancer, they are not being vaccinated for it.

The same sort of thing happened with the Hepatitis B vaccine. It was marketed to teenagers and young men and women in the late 90s, and failed miserably. So the CDC recommended it be added to the mandatory vaccine schedule, and it's now given at birth, usually before a baby leaves the hospital.

The CDC knows that to get people vaccinated, they need be living under their parents' roof, and their parents need to be taking them to the doctor regularly. Teens don't visit the doctor as often, which is why this is being recommended for preteens.

Not saying it's a positive or a negative, just that that's the rationale.
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I believe in vaccines. I also believe in abstinence for young adults, but is this realistic? NIMHO.

Finally... I am so glad that I live in a place where we can agree to disagree and not have a flaming problem in the forum.
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