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Old 04-03-2007, 12:07 PM   #1
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I want to make this hat, Flapper Cloche, and it will be my first knitting project (I do crochet, though).

I'm not sure what the best cast on method is and if I use the long-tail method, how much yarn do I pull out to use?



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Old 04-03-2007, 12:16 PM   #2
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oh my... I didn't look at the pattern but i did see in the link that it is the flapper hat. I use the regular long tail cast on but i must say that no matter how much you think you should pull, you should probalby pull more! The first time i made it i had to recast on because i ran out of yarn (i made it bigger than the pattern suggested too) It's a cute quick hat but the cast on is a weee bit of a PITA.

and just cuz i think it is cute... here's my first flapper

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Old 04-03-2007, 12:40 PM   #3
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the hat is about 20 inches wide (so normally you'd need 3X20 (or 60 inches) min.

but it has a ruffle (which is at least double (from a quick glance at cast on number 3 times!) as wide as hat.. or 60 inches X3=180 inches for tail!

1 yard/meter is 36inches/40 meters
2 yards/meters 72/80
3 yards 108/120
4 yards 144/160
5 yards 180/200--so 5+ a bit yards (or 5 meters)

truthfully... though with thick yarn.. its hard to plan.

i would use a 2 ball long tail cast on method.

tie 2 strands (each from 1 ball together (leave 6 inch or so tail)) together into slip knot.

make cast on using 1 ball for thumb, the other for index finger.

DO NOT COUNT SLIP KNOT AS A STITCH.
remove from needle before joining.
cut thumb thread after you have finished casting on. continue to knit with index yarn. (weave in extra tail with finishing.)
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Old 04-03-2007, 02:03 PM   #4
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Another method to calculate is to allow 1/2" for every stitch, then another 6 inches. This CO is 224 sts so use about 118" or a bit over 3 yards.

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Old 04-03-2007, 03:54 PM   #5
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Another trick is to cast on 10 stitches, pull the needle out and undo the cast on to see how much yarn you used, then for your caston pull 23 times that amount and a little bit extra (about 6"). This should be enough for 230 stitches which is a few more than you need.

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Old 04-03-2007, 05:39 PM   #6
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These are all great ideas! I went ahead with using two balls of yarn (as my second try...my first with getting 3 yards of yarn didn't get me enough yarn...dang!).

It's going well and the only problem I see right now is that the stitches are too loose where I joined. I've managed to pull the yarn through to get it a little more evened out so I think that's going to work out fine.

Thanks for your help! It's fun to learn something new! (and I'd have gotten much more done today if my 1 yo son would have taken any kind of a nap!)
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Old 04-03-2007, 11:21 PM   #7
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Ahhh, loose joining stitches... there's a couple tricks for that too.

a. Cast on one extra, and knit it together with the first stitch.

b. Slip the first CO stitch to the right needle and the last one to the left (crossing one over the other) and knit them like that.

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Old 04-03-2007, 11:45 PM   #8
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c. cast on one extra and knit last and first stitch of round together.

d. use tail yarn and real yarn to knit first 2 stitches of round, (this can be a bit stiffer, and noticable)

e. practice. (but i sometimes uses SuzeeQ's a and b (and my c and d!) after 45 years of knitting!)
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I often use b and d (hee hee), but for b they are not just crossing over, one stitch is slipped through/over the other. The knit EXTRA tight with both tails, if I won't be wanting the tail.
Also, if you knit the first few stitches with a smaller DPN, the join won't stand out so bad - but for me switch first and last, pull extra tight works great.
Knitting in the round shouldn't really affect your choice of cast-on, it depends on lots of things, for most people I guess that would include appearance, stretchiness, ease of casting and working, wear, etc. I can't think of any case where round vs. flat would matter except that only one side would be visible.
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Old 04-04-2007, 12:11 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by of troy
c. cast on one extra and knit last and first stitch of round together.

d. use tail yarn and real yarn to knit first 2 stitches of round, (this can be a bit stiffer, and noticable)

e. practice. (but i sometimes uses SuzeeQ's a and b (and my c and d!) after 45 years of knitting!)
Uhhhh.. your c and my a are the same. But practice is good too.

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