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Old 06-29-2007, 10:51 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by geekgolightly View Post
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His style is alarmist. He makes an impact by acting hysterical and jumping up and down screaming for people to pay attention. it has nothing to do with the content of his information.

I am definitely not judging his content bc I too, work in the healthcare industry and think this topic should be number 2 on the list of things to pay attention to.

It's not really "alarmist" if the problem is legitimate. The word implies making a big deal out of something that doesn't warrant it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/alarmist
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Old 06-29-2007, 05:00 PM   #12
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I was able to see this movie. Seriously, watching it made me angry. Healthcare in the U.S. is one big joke. Profits take huge precedence over humanity.

A few years back when my COBRA ran out, I had to scramble for new health coverage. The cost of the policy I ended up choosing was jacked up 50% when the insurance company decided I was getting too much treatment for my asthma. I had to go two years without any asthma treatment (that would show up on my insurance) before they dropped my rates back down.

I find it ironic that our own law enforcement is not allowed to profile people because it's unfair, immoral, unethical, etc. yet profiling is the backbone of health insurance companies. I once looked into becoming an actuary, but that whole career line turned me off because of the great emphasis on using the infomation from statistics and probabilities to make/save money for the company at the expense of people in need, just so some greedy CEO and a bunch of shareholders could line their pockets with another few million dollars. Actuaries do for health insurance what police are not allowed to do for the public. Why is it wrong for one but not the other?

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Old 06-30-2007, 12:28 AM   #13
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The entire concept of a for-profit healthcare industry deeply disturbs me.
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Old 06-30-2007, 12:34 AM   #14
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I haven't seen this so I was wondering if they make any mention or offer any solution to the people that "fall between the cracks?"
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Old 06-30-2007, 09:29 AM   #15
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I haven't seen this so I was wondering if they make any mention or offer any solution to the people that "fall between the cracks?"
It's worth your time to see. There isn't an exact solution offered, but there are several models that could be emmulated. First and foremost the US would have to abolish the concept of health care for profit. Get rid of insurance and pharmecutical lobbiests who are lining the pockets of our representatives. We need to embrace the concept of supporting the basic right of health care for all. And people don't just fall between the cracks today. There are those without insurance, and those with insurance who are dealing with being denied covereage for various and sometimes silly reasons. And even for those with insurance the cost of premiums and co-pays is higher and higher. I know mine is. The movie is right on the mark in illustrating peoples real and everyday problems with health care.
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Old 06-30-2007, 11:10 AM   #16
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I saw him on the Daily show and he said we don't have the fire department set up as a for profit system. We just have it, paid for through our taxes. We don't say "hmmmm the fire department hasn't made enough money this year, we;ll only put out fires in this nieghborhood." Healthcare is just as important as putting out fires. Why do we make a distinction then? Becasue US businesses have figured out a way to benefit from using the corpaorate system to get what they want. Why they did with health care I don't know. But we got it and we got to fix it. It will be soooooo hard becasue we are soooooo intrenched in it. We're like fish who don't know we're in water but our water is toxic and we need to clean it up.
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Old 06-30-2007, 11:44 AM   #17
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I don't mean for this to turn into a political thread, but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't take michael moores movie to heart. There is quite a bit of his information that is NOT correct.

Now I'm not saying our health insurance is great, personally ours sucks beyond words, BUT just because someone makes a movie about one side of the story doesn't mean his facts are correct.

This man is not a sane individual, just like rosie o'donnell. You need to look at all sides of a situation before you can judge and most of us don't have that luxury.

I only say this because I was watching CNN last night and they asked their medical correspondent to check the validity of his movie and some of his numbers he used in the movie were way off.

Don't bite my head off for writing this please, it's just my opinion. Too many of us go with whatever is put in front of us on tv, radio, newspapers which are mostly one-sided information. And usually the negative side.

Okay, I'm done.
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Old 06-30-2007, 12:36 PM   #18
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The truth is that even though everybody embellishes facts, to suit their cause, the most important thing that happens is that it starts the dialog. Anybody can skew information to benefit whatever cause they want...it is our job to do the research on our own and find out what the real truth is.
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Old 06-30-2007, 12:39 PM   #19
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This thread has the capability of turning into something heated and ugly. I'm not saying that it will, I'm just taking a preventative step to ask that you continue in a civil and considerate tone.

Thank you!

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Originally Posted by feministmama
I saw him on the Daily show and he said we don't have the fire department set up as a for profit system. We just have it, paid for through our taxes.
I heard him say that too, and it's a very interesting analogy. Actually, there used to be a "for profit" system for fire fighters, a long time ago. It was a disaster. While homes were burning, different fire departments would fight over who would get the job...:rollseyes:

I agree, bailsmom, his information is not always very accurate unfortunately. The same technique however is used by other lobby groups. It's probably his way to be part of that game. Of course, it's hard for us, "ordinary people", to get an objective assessment so that we can make our own opinion! Oh well. Still, in the end, it's always better to hear more than one point of view.
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