Originally Posted by Limey
Many thanks for your reply - of course, alot of animal training tack can be used abusively.
I still think it totally reprehensible and unnecessary to inflict an electric shock to an animal. It is just not necessary - Momwolf and Auburnchick have used these collars to prevent their pets from committing the heinous crime of getting out of the 'yard'.
As for for the case of the non-stop barker, there is an alternative to putting the dog down - take it to a shelter, where it will have a chance to be placed with owners who can give it the time and attention to address the behaviour problem; otherwise, you're saying - shock the dog or kill it.
I don't think an e-collar is ideal...I think it should be a last resort. But I also don't think, if used properly, they are as evil as they are made out to be. I know lots of dogs that have benefitted from e-training who are healthy, happy and haven't a mark on them.
No, I don't mean "shock it or kill it"....this is the scenario: Your dog is obsessive compulsive, he barks constantly. You have received warnings and fines from animal control and you are at a point where your dog has been deemed a disturbance to the community and he must stop barking, be re-homed or worse.
Well, where you gonna rehome a dog that is an incessant barker? It's not like there is a line of folks from the rural areas in line waiting to adopt your dog!
So, you call a trainer proficient in e-collar training. E-collar training often works when conventional methods fail.
I don't know about the UK but here in the states unethical breeding is out of control. Dogs are being bred indiscriminately resulting not only only in health problems but temperament problem also making training difficult.
I agree with you 100% that a fence is always a better solution, and I am lucky my dog stays behind the fence. But another dog may be able to jump a 12 foot fence or dig under, or destroy the slats. Some dogs can be utterly relentless escape artists.
Some folks can't build a higher fence or pour concrete because there is a Homeowners Association that forbids it.
I guess we can all agree to disagree