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Old 05-01-2008, 06:55 PM   #1
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yfwd,yrn; How do I handle next row?
Help..I did not see an answer to this using the search feature, so excuse me if I'm repeating a question.
I'm doing Sirdar pattern 1690, a baby bolero. I know how to do a yfwd from completing the body of the sweater, but the edging band also has a yrn and it's giving me fits:
Cast on 5 sts.
lst row: K1,k2tog, yfwd, yrn, k2.
2nd rpw: K3, p1, k2.
3rd row: K1, yfwd, yrn, k2tog, k3.
4th row: Cast off 2 st, k1, p1, k2.

I see that in lst row, the yfwd and yrn results in 2 yarnovers next to each other on the needle, resulting in 6 sts. On the 2nd row and the 4th row, how do I knit or purl into the yarnovers? Something must be either knitted or purled through the back or it's a huge hole. I've tried knitting into the back of one of the yarnovers and purling into them the usual way, but it doesn't look right to me. It doesn't seem to make a clean lace hole. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks, Barbara
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Old 05-01-2008, 07:11 PM   #2
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Hmmm, I just goggled the pattern, looking for pics, and, it looks to me like there should be a stitch between the 2 yarn overs - looks like 2 eyelet "holes" not one big one on the edging in this pic

edited - WAIT, looking again, I'm WRONG - YES, those are TWO big holes, one from row 1, the other from row 2, slightly offset. SO.....don't do anything, a big lacy hole is just what the pattern wants you to have!
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You can knit or purl into front of both YO loops. Both rows each have a k st and p st into the double yo’s
For row 2: 2nd row: K2, K1, p1, k2
when you come to the 2 yo loops, you k1 loop then take yarn back and purl next loop.
for row 4: Cast off 2 st, k1, p1, k1, k1
when you come to the 2 yo loops, take yarn forward, purl first loop, take yarn back then knit second loop.

I just tried it out and Its a very pretty border.
see close up pic.
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Old 05-01-2008, 10:20 PM   #4
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Knit into the first loop, purl into the 2nd. Just be careful not to let the 2nd loop slip off the needle, and it works out. That's how most patterns with a double YO do it.
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Thanks for all the useful replies. I was really stymied by the double yarnovers. Patterns I've recently done with double YOs usually had me knit into the back of one of them to avoid a large hole. Since I was getting a hole anyway by knitting into the back of one of the YOs, it was counter-intuitive for me to work the 2 sts over the large space made by the double YO. But, now doing it, I see that the large hole is the right size and it looks fine. Actually, the edging strip opens up better and is more relaxed that way. It is a very pretty edging. I may toy with the idea of knitting it on as I go, as I'm not really looking forward to sewing it all around the edge of the sweater later. Although, it is a 2yr old size, so that's not too bad.
Again, thanks for all your help. Barbara
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Old 05-03-2008, 12:18 AM   #6
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lst row: K1,k2tog, yfwd, yrn, k2. Suzeeq .. I'm curious why the pattern has yfwd and then yrn? Why not yo, yo. Or better yet yfwd, yfwd or two yrns? Seems like a very good way to get someone very confused
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Some patterns, especially with british terms, use the different terms for making YOs according to the sts on either side of it. They tell you what to do with your yarn. Yfwd is to bring it to the front, yrn means to wrap it around the needle. When you do both together, it's exactly what you do to make 2 YOs.
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Thanks suzeeq ... glad you know what's going on!
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