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Old 06-05-2008, 09:26 AM   #31
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The funny thing is I don't even shop at Walmart.. but I just believe they are no different than Target..
It's a matter of scale - yes Target is big but not compared to Walmart.

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If Wal-Mart is so bad, why do 100 million Americans shop there every week? Is a third of the population too dumb to know they're acting against their own interests?
often they have no choice. those that do, do not realize or do not care.

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Wal-Mart employs 1.3 million people in this country. Yes, their wages are low, by and large. But if they could find better jobs, why are these people working at Wal-Mart? If Wal-Mart didn't exist, why do you think they'd be paid higher wages?
when 25% of our workforce was unionized, that was 50% of the population getting union wages and benefits since companies had to give their non-union workers similar wages to compete for labor. Now the unions have been so decimated since Reagan declared war on them, real wages have stagnated. Why do you think people should not be able to earn a living wage at any job they do? Doesn't everyone deserve to be treated with dignity and respect regardless of what they do for a living?

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Do small businesses - the fabled "mom and pop" stores you hear so much about - have a right to remain in business, even though they charge people more than Wal-Mart does for the same products? If so, what other professions have a right to charge above-market prices for their goods and services? Do I have a right to double my salary as a talk show host, regardless of how many people watch my show?
Walmart often goes into a community, lowers their prices to the point of even losing money until the competition disappears, then raises prices again.

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You attack Wal-Mart's desire to beat its competitors. But how is it different from any other company's competitive desire? How is it different from any professional athlete's?
There is a difference between competing on even ground and unfair competition where Walmart gets tax breaks, special considerations, etc that others do not.
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Old 06-05-2008, 12:15 PM   #32
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And the walmart discussion is never ending? don't ya think??

procurement and labor practices that, according to the McKinsey consulting group, made Wal-Mart responsible for about 25 percent of the nationís astonishing productivity increases in the 1990s. The low prices made possible by these practices have made Wal-Mart a significant contributor to low inflation. Warren Buffett says Wal-Mart has contributed more than any other company to todayís economic vigor.

Walmart accounts for 50% of American productivity growth over Europe in the last decade...

Productivity growth reduces poverty.. we are all against poverty , right??

In free markets there are winners and losers.. no business venture is guaranteed success.. unless in you want a socialistic/communist society
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Old 06-05-2008, 01:09 PM   #33
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I'm not trying to argue, but I just have to say something. Those little "mom and Pop" places aren't always so great. I live in a fairly small town, and I love it, but it's one of those places where if you're not from here, you're pretty much an outsider. Even though, I pay taxes, and make my home here, every time I've tried to shop at the little shops down town, I get treated the same way. All the little buddies, and old friends get together and talk with the owners, and I'm just left to fend for myself. And don't think I don't notice the "who the __are you?" looks that I get.

So, yes. I shop at Walmart and Kroger. Why should I pay extra to go into a little shop, and get treated like that? At least at chain stores, we're all on equal footing.
Please don't be mad at me. You're all intitled to your own opinion, but I'm intitled to mine, too.
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Old 06-05-2008, 02:22 PM   #34
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No need to apologize... free markets mean that we all get to spend our dollars wherever we want.. without intimidation...I look at it as a right to vote for who is meeting the consumer's (the little guy)
needs.. the winner is the business who meets the consumers needs,whoever that may be.... that way the winner is really the consumer (the little guy)..

In my opinion there is too much negative propoganda about Walmart
But that is just my opinion..I would never say we must all shop at Walmart..just don't make the ones that want to feel bad about it..
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Originally Posted by Pat in Ca View Post
In my opinion there is too much negative propoganda about Walmart
But that is just my opinion..I would never say we must all shop at Walmart..just don't make the ones that want to feel bad about it..
But it's okay to come on here and make people who dislike Wal-Mart and will not shop there for whatever reason feel bad about their opinion by posting Wal-Mart's own propaganda?

Or is it only considered propaganda because you don't agree with it? Do you consider the personal experiences other people have had with Wal-Mart that have been posted in this thread propaganda, too, because it doesn't fit with your view of Wal-Mart?

People who don't like Wal-Mart are entitled to their opinions just as much as you are entitled to yours. I don't think you're going to convince the world to stop hating on Wally World. I have not seen anyone in this forum intimidating another poster to stop shopping at Wal-Mart. The last time I was at Wal-Mart, I didn't see people lined up outside trying to intimidate shoppers to not shop there, either. So I don't understand where you get this from.

You said this:

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free markets mean that we all get to spend our dollars wherever we want.. without intimidation...
Free markets also mean that people are free to choose not to spend their dollars wherever they want...without intimidation.
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unless in you want a socialistic/communist society

just need to point out socialism and communism is not the same thing. there are democratic countries that have strong social programs. ie universal healthcare
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Old 06-05-2008, 05:38 PM   #37
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If you read my posts you will see I support your position..free markets mean that we are all free to spend our dollars wherever we like...and we are all free to voice our opinion.. I welcome you voicing your opinion. In fact in the above post I said "I would never say that everyone should shop at Walmart" I just felt a little bad that that lady was afraid someone would be mad because she liked to shop at walmart...so I was directing that last post to her..
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I actually have found that I can save substantially on a number of items at WalMart. Plus, they have a larger selection than my regular/regional grocery stores around here. Since I am feeding 1 person, I'll often buy microwave meals. Not the healthiest, I know, but definitely a convenience. They're regularly 50 cents cheaper per item at WalMart. My veggie burgers? 50 cents cheaper per box at Walmart. If prices go up at WalMart, they're usually also going up at the regular grocery stores.

I'm not too crazy about their employment practices, and I have a lot of friends who only go there in "emergency" situations (where it's a choice of WalMart or a 50 mile drive one way for an item). Like someone upthread mentioned, too, there's a nice anonymity to the chain stores in small towns which is helpful for newcomers.
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Does Wal-Mart supports the free market? Honestly I think it destroys it. To have a free market you need competition. Wal-Mart wants to destroy competition and be a monopoly. Some people have said that there is no other choice for them than Wal-Mart. It's scary! What's the difference with a communist country where you need to get all your groceries at the only government-ran store available in your area? None. Instead of giving your money to a communist government (that you didn't choose in general), you give your money to a single, insanely rich company (managed by a CEO you didn't choose) who is protected by a pseudo-democratic government. That's not a free market at all!
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Originally Posted by Pat in Ca View Post
And the walmart discussion is never ending? don't ya think??

procurement and labor practices that, according to the McKinsey consulting group, made Wal-Mart responsible for about 25 percent of the nationís astonishing productivity increases in the 1990s. The low prices made possible by these practices have made Wal-Mart a significant contributor to low inflation. Warren Buffett says Wal-Mart has contributed more than any other company to todayís economic vigor.

Ummm -- what economic vigor would that be?
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