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 02-22-2009, 12:05 PM #1 jdora78 Casting On   Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts What is * () and []? I am new to knitting and after some practice I decided to make a lace scarf. After the 1st 2 rows I'm stuck. /It's the Madeira Cascade Kid Merino Lace Scarf/ CO: 45 st very loosely - OK this i did ROW 1: (right side): Knit - OK this is fine too ROW 2: (and all wrong-side rows): Purl - OK, I got this also ROW 3: K2, *k1, yo, k8, (sl1, k2tog, psso), k8, yo; repeat from *, end k3 ROW 5: K2, *k2, yo, k7, (sl1, k2tog, psso) k7, yo, k1; repeat from *, end k3 The problem starts from Row 3. I do the K2, k1, yo, k8, (sl1, k2tog, psso) k8, yo ------ BUT then it says repeat from * (which is right before the k1 (*k1 like so) I assumed that repeat from * means I repeat the whole row from *k1, yo, k8, (sl1, k2tog, psso), k8, yo....so I did... only to realize that it will need over 45 stitches! AND THERE ARE ONLY 45 TO BEGIN WITH!! PLEASE, HELP ME, TELL ME WHAT AM I DOING WRONG? - What does * mean? Do I only repeat what is right after *? Like *k1 - so i knit one? Or do I repeat the whole thing after * to the end?? - What are the () for? I am not sure what to make of those! If I just knit whatever is in there and go on what is the purpose of them? - Also, why is the 1st stitch in ROW 3 with a capital K - K2??? Does that mean something other than knit 2? - One more thing: the pattern leaves out all the even rows..but I realize it says at ROW 2: all wrong-side rows:Purl ..... so do i Purl all even rows then?? - At ROW 19 the pattern gets even more complicated!: K2, *[k1, yo, (sl1, k2tog, psso), yo] 5 times; repeat from *, end k3. What are these [] used for? What do they mean? I appreciate your help, hope it wasn't confusing to read

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 Originally Posted by jdora78 I am new to knitting and after some practice I decided to make a lace scarf. After the 1st 2 rows I'm stuck. /It's the Madeira Cascade Kid Merino Lace Scarf/ CO: 45 st very loosely - OK this i did ROW 1: (right side): Knit - OK this is fine too ROW 2: (and all wrong-side rows): Purl - OK, I got this also ROW 3: K2, *k1, yo, k8, (sl1, k2tog, psso), k8, yo; repeat from *, end k3 ROW 5: K2, *k2, yo, k7, (sl1, k2tog, psso) k7, yo, k1; repeat from *, end k3 The problem starts from Row 3. I do the K2, k1, yo, k8, (sl1, k2tog, psso) k8, yo ------ BUT then it says repeat from * (which is right before the k1 (*k1 like so) I assumed that repeat from * means I repeat the whole row from *k1, yo, k8, (sl1, k2tog, psso), k8, yo....so I did... only to realize that it will need over 45 stitches! AND THERE ARE ONLY 45 TO BEGIN WITH!! PLEASE, HELP ME, TELL ME WHAT AM I DOING WRONG? You need to repeat the part between the first *and the last *. Inside the asterisks you have a pattern of 20 sts, which you will repeat twice. That's 40 sts+K2 from the start and K3 in the end. That's 45 sts. - What does * mean? Do I only repeat what is right after *? Like *k1 - so i knit one? Or do I repeat the whole thing after * to the end?? - What are the () for? I am not sure what to make of those! If I just knit whatever is in there and go on what is the purpose of them? I think they put them to accentuate the fact that S1, K2tog, psso eventually is a decrease that makes 3 sts into 1 st. - Also, why is the 1st stitch in ROW 3 with a capital K - K2??? Does that mean something other than knit 2? It doesn't matter. - One more thing: the pattern leaves out all the even rows..but I realize it says at ROW 2: all wrong-side rows:Purl ..... so do i Purl all even rows then?? Yes, don't forget to purl the YO's too. - At ROW 19 the pattern gets even more complicated!: K2, *[k1, yo, (sl1, k2tog, psso), yo] 5 times; repeat from *, end k3. What are these [] used for? What do they mean? repeat the part between [] 5 times and then repeat it 5 times more and you get the 45 sts again (K2 +4*5+4*5+K3=45) I appreciate your help, hope it wasn't confusing to read
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 02-22-2009, 05:31 PM #3 KnittingNat Instepping Out     Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 2,397 Thanks: 770 Thanked 871 Times in 832 Posts Now a general answer I forgot to give you. ** are used to point out a repeat in a pattern, if there's a part in the pattern repeat that needs a repetition in itself, usually () or [] are used. () are also used to indicate sizes in garments, like S (M, L, XL) and then the number of sts for each size - cast on 22 (23, 24, 25) sts. __________________ Good things come in small packages...Unless it's YARN! I'm KnittingNat on Ravelry OTN: CPH, Pi Shawl, Sculptured Lace scarf, Austmann for DH, Baby blanket.
 02-22-2009, 05:47 PM #4 jdora78 Casting On   Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks sooo much! I am gona try again, I must have messed up something. I hope this time it will work out... Thank you!
 02-22-2009, 05:50 PM #5 Ellieblue Knitting the Flap     Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 423 Thanks: 32 Thanked 95 Times in 80 Posts This is why I like charts for lace patterns. Maybe I can help. On row 3 you start with k2(+10 sts -a double decrease (that's what is in the (), +yo +8 You will notice you have 2 yo(increases) and 2 decreases(,k2tog,psso decreases.) a total of 20 sts between the * * repeat this until the end when you should have 3 sts left over then k3 to the end. you should have two repeats totaling 40 sts and that + the 2K' you started with equals 45 sts. aS TO ROW 19, tHESE [] are another set of repeat brackets Make sure you put markers between the repeats so you don;t lose your way on this one. Good luck __________________
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