Help with SW (slip and wrap)

[Tntgrannie]

You know, I think that pattern stinks. It seems to assume that you know what you're doing with a short row heel. If you've never done one before, I don't think the instructions are clear. I've only done a heel with wraps from a toe-up pattern, so perhaps the instructions I gave you are incorrect. The pattern seems to say that on one row you do a wrap and on the next row you add a stitch, but it doesn't say how.

If someone out there can explain heel these instructions I would also be interested.

Tntgrannie, if all else fails, rip out the heel and do a regular heel with a regular turn. It won't take you any more time to do that than to try to decipher these instructions.

Thanks so much...It probably would be best to do that - thanks again

[cacunn]

OK - so then maybe it is how the pattern reads - each row your stitch count is one less before the SW so you never will get to the wrapped stitch correct? and the next part you add a stitch before you SW. Are all the stitches still on the needle as you are working this? I have a link posted to the pattern. Maybe I just need a different pattern for kids socks...

When you are doing short row heels what you are doing is first building a triangle of stitches. Think of a row of a child's building block. First row has 10 block, second row 9 block, third row 8 blocks etc. With short row heels you never get down to 1 block, unless you want a very pointy heel.

Once you have created one side of the pocket that will be your heel you start creating the other side by reversing the pattern. As you knit/purl to the first wrapped stitch you lift the warping and knit it with the stitch.

The video section of knittinghelp has a excellent video of short row heels (about 1/2 down the page)

http://www.knittinghelp.com/videos/advanced-techniques

[beginningknitter]

i must have the same pattern for socks because i messed my sock up so bad trying to do that stitch that i had to rip out the whole sock and start over and i still cant get that heel part glad i am not the only one who doesnt understand that stitch

[salmonmac]

OK - so then maybe it is how the pattern reads - each row your stitch count is one less before the SW so you never will get to the wrapped stitch correct? and the next part you add a stitch before you SW. Are all the stitches still on the needle as you are working this? I have a link posted to the pattern. Maybe I just need a different pattern for kids socks...

This pattern will work if you do the SW on a knit row by bringing the yarn to front of work, slip next st, turn, bring the yarn between the needles to the purl side and slip same st back onto right hand needle and continue with the purl sts. On a purl row, bring the yarn to the knit side, slip the st, turn, put the yarn between the needles to the purl side, slip the st back to the right needle and continue with knit sts.
You're correct that all the sts are still on the needle as you work this. And you count one st less in each row before the SW so you never get to the wrapped st from the previous row. And yes in the next part you add a stitch in each row before the SW.

[fatoldladyinpjs]

I watched all kinds of videos and just couldn't get it. This is the one that finally clicked. I love the way Liat teaches. If all else fails, forget the sock heel turn and knit these as tube socks.

http://knitfreedom.com/intermediate/...-wrap-and-turn